Comments on: Goldsaft: Like Molasses, But Not Quite http://www.hungryinberlin.com/2007/11/13/goldsaft-like-molasses-but-not-quite/ for foodies in the Hauptstadt... Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:25:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: lou http://www.hungryinberlin.com/2007/11/13/goldsaft-like-molasses-but-not-quite/#comment-147 lou Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:17:13 +0000 http://johnborland.com/hungryinberlin/?p=37#comment-147 katie, treacle found for sure! Lyle's Golden Syrup and Lyle's Black Treacle sitting on a shelf waiting for you at Goldhahn & Sampson, Dunckerstrasse 9, right near Helmholzplatz. Look for a post on this up-and-coming store! katie, treacle found for sure! Lyle’s Golden Syrup and Lyle’s Black Treacle sitting on a shelf waiting for you at Goldhahn & Sampson, Dunckerstrasse 9, right near Helmholzplatz. Look for a post on this up-and-coming store!

]]> By: bowleserised http://www.hungryinberlin.com/2007/11/13/goldsaft-like-molasses-but-not-quite/#comment-125 bowleserised Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:51:19 +0000 http://johnborland.com/hungryinberlin/?p=37#comment-125 Broken English the shop has more things in it than Broken English the website, I forgot to add. Broken English the shop has more things in it than Broken English the website, I forgot to add.

]]> By: bowleserised http://www.hungryinberlin.com/2007/11/13/goldsaft-like-molasses-but-not-quite/#comment-124 bowleserised Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:50:52 +0000 http://johnborland.com/hungryinberlin/?p=37#comment-124 Oh, Christmas Cake! It's a hardcore fruitcake coated with marzipan and then royal icing. You can make it months in advance. Oh, Christmas Cake! It’s a hardcore fruitcake coated with marzipan and then royal icing. You can make it months in advance.

]]> By: Ed Ward http://www.hungryinberlin.com/2007/11/13/goldsaft-like-molasses-but-not-quite/#comment-119 Ed Ward Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:00:45 +0000 http://johnborland.com/hungryinberlin/?p=37#comment-119 Gotcher treacle right here, Katie: http://www.english-shop.de/tatelyleblacktreacle454g-p-1166.html Possibly there's some on sale here in Berlin, but you're probably just as well off ordering it from this British shop in Cologne unless the postage is prohibitive. Gotcher treacle right here, Katie:

http://www.english-shop.de/tatelyleblacktreacle454g-p-1166.html

Possibly there’s some on sale here in Berlin, but you’re probably just as well off ordering it from this British shop in Cologne unless the postage is prohibitive.

]]> By: aimee m. http://www.hungryinberlin.com/2007/11/13/goldsaft-like-molasses-but-not-quite/#comment-118 aimee m. Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:58:24 +0000 http://johnborland.com/hungryinberlin/?p=37#comment-118 Katie: A good bet would probably be Broken English on Körtestr 10, in Kreuzberg. They carry most traditional English goodies (mince pies, PG Tips, and so on), according to their Web site (http://www.brokenenglish.de/). Although I can't find treacle on the list, I'm guessing that if they don't have it, they can either get it for you or tell you where to go. And I have no idea what an English Christmas Cake is...care to share the recipe with the HIB crew? Thanks! Katie: A good bet would probably be Broken English on Körtestr 10, in Kreuzberg. They carry most traditional English goodies (mince pies, PG Tips, and so on), according to their Web site (http://www.brokenenglish.de/). Although I can’t find treacle on the list, I’m guessing that if they don’t have it, they can either get it for you or tell you where to go.

And I have no idea what an English Christmas Cake is…care to share the recipe with the HIB crew? Thanks!

]]> By: Katie http://www.hungryinberlin.com/2007/11/13/goldsaft-like-molasses-but-not-quite/#comment-116 Katie Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:47:09 +0000 http://johnborland.com/hungryinberlin/?p=37#comment-116 Not exactly Molasses, but along he same lines. I've been looking for Treacle for my English Chrismas Cake. Any ideas where I can buy it, or whether Goldsaft would be a good substiute. Thanks! Not exactly Molasses, but along he same lines. I’ve been looking for Treacle for my English Chrismas Cake. Any ideas where I can buy it, or whether Goldsaft would be a good substiute.
Thanks!

]]> By: john borland http://www.hungryinberlin.com/2007/11/13/goldsaft-like-molasses-but-not-quite/#comment-102 john borland Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:24:15 +0000 http://johnborland.com/hungryinberlin/?p=37#comment-102 Sorry for the late comment-approving, everyone. I got distracted and forgot I had to push the button. Thomas: Thanks for the all the info. Maybe we'll have to make trip south to try the mystery syrups. BerlinReified: I'll definitely do another molasses post, shopping a little farther afield. Bowleserized: I was shocked, shocked when researching this stuff to find that people actually use molasses in hair. The world is always stranger than I have imagined... Bleistifterin: Send us your market review at NOSPAMhungryinberlinATgooglemail.com, minus the nospammy bits, and we'll post it as a reader's review. But can we also post your pumpkin pie recipe? It's time to get our Thanksgiving on. KMS: This is my problem with vegans. How can honey not be vegan? Are there bee bits in it? :) Sean: Mmmm, BBQ sauce. That just shot to first on my list. Sorry for the late comment-approving, everyone. I got distracted and forgot I had to push the button.

Thomas: Thanks for the all the info. Maybe we’ll have to make trip south to try the mystery syrups.

BerlinReified: I’ll definitely do another molasses post, shopping a little farther afield.

Bowleserized: I was shocked, shocked when researching this stuff to find that people actually use molasses in hair. The world is always stranger than I have imagined…

Bleistifterin: Send us your market review at NOSPAMhungryinberlinATgooglemail.com, minus the nospammy bits, and we’ll post it as a reader’s review. But can we also post your pumpkin pie recipe? It’s time to get our Thanksgiving on.

KMS: This is my problem with vegans. How can honey not be vegan? Are there bee bits in it? :)
Sean: Mmmm, BBQ sauce. That just shot to first on my list.

]]> By: Thomas http://www.hungryinberlin.com/2007/11/13/goldsaft-like-molasses-but-not-quite/#comment-101 Thomas Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:19:28 +0000 http://johnborland.com/hungryinberlin/?p=37#comment-101 Oh, that's complicated. Did you have a look at wikipedia about molasses? I was looking into that stuff a few weeks ago and was left confused. Molasses is actually a term used in sugar production and fits to a whole variety of things. In general it's the leftovers of crystallization of sugar out of sugar cane or sugar beet syrup which are NOT able to crystallize any more. The dark 'n' dirty stuff at the bottom so to say. But Manufacturers would call some of their unrefined and unfiltered crystallized cane sugars "Molasses" which is the "popular" use of the word that most of us know. Anyways, I was trying a German Lebkuchen recipe from the 50s a while ago and - instead of brown molassy sugar like demerara or muscovado - they ask for Apfelkraut. I found it in the Bioladen. It's actually darf brown thickened apple juice, almost like a super strong apple jam, traditionally made around the city of Cologne, like in Bergisches Land for example. The Grafschafter company is in that area as well. Looks like they really like their dark brown sirupy supersweet spreads there. It goes on bread, e.g. the famous Grafschafter Goldsaft - beet sugar syrup - on Graham bread (yuck, but praised by German Comedian Helge Schneider) or on waffles (so-so). The dark apple sirup, Apfelkraut, is kind of ok though, maybe worth a try, although it's not very similar to Molasses, but gives the Lebkuchen a nice sour and fruity touch. I sent an email to Grafschafter a few weeks ago asking what they would recommend as a substitute for Golden Syrup. Wikipedia says that chemically spoken, Golden Syrup and Grafschafter Goldsaft have a lot in common (well, apart from taste). The guy at Grafschafter suggested some of their clear syrups, but you wouldn't be able to get them in Berlin because they are kind of local Rhineland stuff. So much for sugar :-) Cheers, Thomas Oh, that’s complicated. Did you have a look at wikipedia about molasses? I was looking into that stuff a few weeks ago and was left confused. Molasses is actually a term used in sugar production and fits to a whole variety of things. In general it’s the leftovers of crystallization of sugar out of sugar cane or sugar beet syrup which are NOT able to crystallize any more. The dark ‘n’ dirty stuff at the bottom so to say. But Manufacturers would call some of their unrefined and unfiltered crystallized cane sugars “Molasses” which is the “popular” use of the word that most of us know. Anyways, I was trying a German Lebkuchen recipe from the 50s a while ago and - instead of brown molassy sugar like demerara or muscovado - they ask for Apfelkraut. I found it in the Bioladen. It’s actually darf brown thickened apple juice, almost like a super strong apple jam, traditionally made around the city of Cologne, like in Bergisches Land for example. The Grafschafter company is in that area as well. Looks like they really like their dark brown sirupy supersweet spreads there. It goes on bread, e.g. the famous Grafschafter Goldsaft - beet sugar syrup - on Graham bread (yuck, but praised by German Comedian Helge Schneider) or on waffles (so-so). The dark apple sirup, Apfelkraut, is kind of ok though, maybe worth a try, although it’s not very similar to Molasses, but gives the Lebkuchen a nice sour and fruity touch.

I sent an email to Grafschafter a few weeks ago asking what they would recommend as a substitute for Golden Syrup. Wikipedia says that chemically spoken, Golden Syrup and Grafschafter Goldsaft have a lot in common (well, apart from taste). The guy at Grafschafter suggested some of their clear syrups, but you wouldn’t be able to get them in Berlin because they are kind of local Rhineland stuff.

So much for sugar :-)
Cheers,
Thomas

]]> By: Berlin Reified http://www.hungryinberlin.com/2007/11/13/goldsaft-like-molasses-but-not-quite/#comment-100 Berlin Reified Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:50:08 +0000 http://johnborland.com/hungryinberlin/?p=37#comment-100 I was quite charmed by the Kartoffelpuffer with Zuckerrübensirup I had at a fair in the Moselle river valley -- might sound a bit perverse, but the syrup did offset the crisp edges nicely. Do post if you find a good source for American-style molasses in Berlin! I was quite charmed by the Kartoffelpuffer with Zuckerrübensirup I had at a fair in the Moselle river valley — might sound a bit perverse, but the syrup did offset the crisp edges nicely.

Do post if you find a good source for American-style molasses in Berlin!

]]> By: Sean http://www.hungryinberlin.com/2007/11/13/goldsaft-like-molasses-but-not-quite/#comment-99 Sean Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:11:53 +0000 http://johnborland.com/hungryinberlin/?p=37#comment-99 I have used it to make barbecue sauce in the past, as a substitute for molasses. Like you experienced, wasn't 100% right, but was pretty close. I have used it to make barbecue sauce in the past, as a substitute for molasses. Like you experienced, wasn’t 100% right, but was pretty close.

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